January 6, 2009
Siberian Husky Breeder…?
Keep in mind that I am NOT buying at this moment or in the near future. I am simply curious.
I found this Siberian Husky breeder ( http://www.shamrocktrails.com/siberians/) while just surfing the internet. I checked out their site and I more or less liked what I saw. They seem to be relatively decent people raising good puppies and I liked that they have red and white puppies frequently(which I prefer in the breed, though that alone would not sell me on a puppy mind you) . However, they have a PayPal link for making payments on your puppy. Now I know, that should throw up a red flag and if I were considering buying, I should run not walk. What would make me hesitate though, is that they specifically state that just because you click the button and send them money, does not mean you get a puppy in return. They want to talk with you and have you come and meet them and the dogs and then talk about arranging a deposit and payments for a puppy if everything checks out. They say that it's there so that it's more convenient for their buyers to get money to them.
Also, if I did consider buying a puppy in the future, I would be able to physically visit their home as they simply live about a two hour drive away.
So I'm just wondering, just because they have a PayPal (which many puppymills and BYB's use) link should I avoid them, despite their statement of "they don't sell their puppies to just anyone that clicks the button"?
Is there anything else that might put you off from this breeder?
Hmmm.. Try this one. The link to their Siberians is at the bottom.. (If it works)
http://shamrocktrails.com/
Loki - Is that a list of everything wrong with this breeder or of what would put you off of one??
That's what I thought she meant but I was just making sure.. I was by no means set on this breeder or anything, I was just wondering and I'm glad to have gotten some facts. Cause it seems to me that everyone will automatically tell you to avoid a breeder if they have a PayPal sticker on the site.
Well thanks and while I will not be getting a puppy for another several years, you can never look too long for the right breeder, yeah?
* Mass producing puppies — unless they've quit having 7-8 litters/year, now.
* Claiming to show…but never actually appearing in the ring.
* Breeding dogs without health clearances.
* Buying their "foundation" dog from a known show-mill (also known for producing eye problems), and breeding him to everything on 4 legs that walked by, despite the fact that he never finished
* Studding the dog out to anything with 4 legs that picked up the phone.
* Walking around dog show grounds with above dog, soliciting stud service.
…if you're looking for a Siberian in SoCal, you have MUCH better options. Email me if you want direction.
ADD: These would put me off any breeder…but they do apply to this particular kennel. Yes.
Filed under Siberian Husky Breeders by Andrew Preston
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Cant really tell ya the link is not working. Yeah i dont like them at all. NO real respectable breeder puts that many ads on their site.
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Do the breeders have a direct way to contact them? If so, then that would be your best bet. Never trust any transactions over the internet. If they only live two hours away I would call them to set an appointment and go from there.
Good Luck
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I have no problem with a breeder accepting PayPal, as I have no problem with a breeder accepting cash, personal cheques, credit cards or conch shells.
You have to look beyond the accepted payment to determine if a breeder is good or not. Then again, I have no problem buying from a great, responsible breeder that lives far enough from me that the puppy has to be shipped, or in a different country (I live on the Canadian-US border, and breeders in the US are closer than many Canadian breeders, for example) - and PayPal would make the payment easy and secure on both ends.
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* Mass producing puppies — unless they've quit having 7-8 litters/year, now.
* Claiming to show…but never actually appearing in the ring.
* Breeding dogs without health clearances.
* Buying their "foundation" dog from a known show-mill (also known for producing eye problems), and breeding him to everything on 4 legs that walked by, despite the fact that he never finished
* Studding the dog out to anything with 4 legs that picked up the phone.
* Walking around dog show grounds with above dog, soliciting stud service.
…if you're looking for a Siberian in SoCal, you have MUCH better options. Email me if you want direction.
ADD: These would put me off any breeder…but they do apply to this particular kennel. Yes.
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Trust Loki 100% in the answer she gave you and definitely contact her for resources!
Edit - My guess is that Loki knows this breeder and knows they are not reputable - That list is what she knows is bad about them.
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They sound very dodgy to me.
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Found the website via Google, and I'm saying you should walk away. They do not seem like an outright irresponsible backyard breeder, but there are a few things that would have me walking away.
- None of their breeding dogs seemed to be titled or show any indicator of being a quality model of the breed and worthy of bettering the Siberian Husky breed. Any dog that is bred should be titled.
- They allow the family to pick the pup. Any responsible breeder would make an effort and test the puppies for temperament and drive and match the right dog to the right family for the sake of both the pup and the purchaser.
- They feed Purina. Okay, I might be basing this on personal opinion, but I do not think Purina dog food is a good brand to be feeding due to the ingredients mixed in.
- It might be just me, but I cannot find a warranty. They should have a 2 year guarantee that says the dog may be returned to them at any time for an exchange or refund no matter its condition. They should also agree to pay for or offer a dog exchange if the pup you buy comes up with any congenital diseases.
Not a downright terrible place, but not a good breeder by far.
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I don't think that accepting Paypal makes them bad- it is a convenience in a modern world. SInce they have a website, people from all over the world may be enquiring about their pups. Paypal makes it easier to send the money and convert it. Many people do not accept personal checks anymore, so this is one way around that without using western union or some other third party.
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People can say anything. The most important thing is paper work. Test that a breeder will have done to make sure the parents are completely and totally healthy. A truly good breeder will make sure the parents are in tip top shape to have the healthiest puppies. If there are any negative things that show up in test, a good breeder will not breed, and a good breeder will be willing to show you the test results, and go over them with you. Your best bet is to find out what negative traits can happen with this particular breed, find out what test would need to be done to see if a particular dog has these things, and then search for a breeder with these qualifications.
If you are set on a husky, and do not mind if certain medical conditions arise due to the breed, then a persons best bet is to check their local shelter. Many can put your name on a list for a particular breed, and people will save lives! ; ) If people are not set on a certain breed, then save a life anyway! : )
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In addition to Loki's well-written response…
this alone is enough of a red-flag for me:
"We are not currently looking for outside stud males for our females."
I do not know a responsible, reputable breeder on the planet who believes that only THEIR studs are the best dogs to breed to their b*tches… The odds of a breeder's own males always being the best dogs to breed to their b*tches is slim to nil… and if they're not trying to produce the best… WHY BOTHER!??!!!!!
Combine that with the fact they cannot manage to finish a championship on a dog handled by pro handlers (and a bunch of BS about the dog's color being the issue) and it all comes down to the fact that they just want to produce pups.
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